Really Jezebel?!

"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562) 08/19/2014 at 09:58 • Filed to: Rant, WTH, Jezebel

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OK. I get that the stuff that they were being assaulted with was terrible.

I agree with the steps gawker (FINALLY) took to help them, I don't want them put through that hell.

But 1 week later they have this as a headline story and whole article?

Disney Dudes' Dicks?!

Really? And it made the "Trending on Related Blogs"?

So now I have to spend all day with this in rotation? Shouldn't there be some kind of filter on that so I don't need to see a rotating message trying to get me to click on Disney Dicks?

This is a pretty big double standard and it's not cool. Yes I know this isn't graphic rape porn which is CLEARLY on a higher level, a whole different ball game.

But maybe, just maybe we can keep ANYTHING NSFW out of the rotating "click on me" carousel. For the record I'm not a fan of NSFW posts on OPPO, Jalopnik, or any where in the network, no matter which sex is in the post (I'd have the same opinion if it was Disney Princesses nude). That's all over the internet and I don't need it mixed with news and/or cars. I know when links are marked NSFW I don't click on them. I have no control over the carousel of links though.

/EndRant

Here's a Mercury Cyclone Spoiler burnout for your trouble:

mr_gofast > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:02

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agreed...seems hypocritical to say tehleast...Jez bitches about nsfw porn and then gets a article discussing cartoon porn...like one is less NSFW then the other.

CalzoneGolem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:03

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There is usually some quite colorful language in at least one of those headlines.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > mr_gofast 08/19/2014 at 10:05

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"Being non-consensually assailed with violent, graphic imagery of rape porn is not even close to the same thing as voluntarily looking at porn that appeals to you.

Anybody who thinks it's hypocritical for us to hate rape and like sex isn't very good at thinking."

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > mr_gofast 08/19/2014 at 10:06

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It just seems inappropriate, and maybe if it were a year from now I wouldn't be as bothered. But this big situation JUST HAPPENED

macanamera > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:06

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I'm reading a perfectly respectable Jalopnik article at work, and on the top left corner of my screen, it says "Disney Dude's Dicks"

smh.

Nibby > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:06

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Everyone knows that the writers of Jezebel have vagina dentata.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem 08/19/2014 at 10:07

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I know, it just bothers me that this whole thing just happened and they post something like this.

Mazarin > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:07

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Last thing we need is cartoon D all over this site.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox5FWGiEVN8

CalzoneGolem > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 08/19/2014 at 10:08

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I've always wondered how the gifs were classified as rape gifs. Perhaps that is because I never saw them.

CalzoneGolem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:09

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Chicks like dicks. What can I say?

Party-vi > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:09

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Gamecat235 addressed this yesterday, but here we go again. Drawings of fictional Disney characters' dicks is completely different than graphic images of rape and torture (whether real or fictional).

That being said, Jezebel isn't exactly new to putting their feet in their mouths, what with passing over Dodai Stewart (who at deputy editor basically ran Jezebel for the past few months and was there since at least 2008) for 25-year-old white girl Emma Carmichael (who's credit is running The Hairpin for a damn year) and then posting a story with manufactured outrage at companies passing over older and minority women for promotions for younger whiter faces.

Party-vi > CalzoneGolem 08/19/2014 at 10:10

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#notallwomen

/tongueincheek

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Party-vi 08/19/2014 at 10:10

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As I said in my post above, it absolutely no where near is the same thing as rape/torture porn gifs. I get that.

It's not appropriate to be in the community carousel though.

EL_ULY > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:10

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mmmmmm Cyclone burnout!!!!!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > EL_ULY 08/19/2014 at 10:11

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wise choice as to which part to focus on lol

Victorious Secret > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:11

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Its a lovely double standard that Jez gets away with.

I don't disagree with wanting to get rid of rape gifs, but then you turn around and make stories like that? You don't get to bitch about unfair treatment then turn around and post something like that.

As a man I am outraged that I have to sit through such tasteless material. Where are my rights? Where are my freedoms? Do I not have security from Disney Dude Dicks? Don't I?

OPPOsaurus WRX > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:11

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Edit : i'm gunna just stay out of this one. Still not happy about our image situation tho....

MultiplaOrgasms > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:12

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!!! Spoiler alert !!!

mr_gofast > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 08/19/2014 at 10:12

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perhaps i didnt explain what i meant..jezebel had issues with violent sexual images and what have you...fine, so they remove the pics ability in comments and problem solved more or less. Then less then a week later - in a blog supposedly a women centric one - has a article extoling the virtues of cartoon penises - definately not what i want to see at 9am in my office even if i havent clicked on it - if my boss sees it..then shit hits the fan. I personally dont care about cartoon porn - diff strokes for diff folks, just dont complain about stuff youre uncomfortable seeing and then make me read a headline that has the words disney and penis in it. I dont care if the images are below the jump - that headline and jezebel shouldnt be together

/endrant

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > macanamera 08/19/2014 at 10:13

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Exactly.

If I can avoid NSFW stuff at work, I'm fine with it existing. But I'm here reading a news article about the head of Ram moving on to another job.

I don't need to see that in the corner of the screen.

CalzoneGolem > Party-vi 08/19/2014 at 10:13

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And not only women.

FKA-RacecaR > Party-vi 08/19/2014 at 10:13

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/tongueinsomethingelse amirate?

Party-vi > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:13

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That's true, but c'mon - haven't you ever wondered what Gaston's dick looks like?

I'm sure they said the same thing about our booth professionals articles, except I can't remember the last time they posted one of those.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > MultiplaOrgasms 08/19/2014 at 10:13

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LOL Awesome

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > CalzoneGolem 08/19/2014 at 10:14

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They weren't mincing words, they were gifs depicting violent rape. Sometimes violent deaths too.

mr_gofast > Victorious Secret 08/19/2014 at 10:14

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this x 1000 - exqctly what i just posted.

MultiplaOrgasms > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:14

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I love Cyclones.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Party-vi 08/19/2014 at 10:15

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And they would have the right to complain about that (and I'm sure they did).

I just don't like that because they are mainly represented by women that their complaint about something inappropriate is heard and mine isn't. NSFW is fine if I can keep it off my screen. But when I'm reading a perfectly SFW article and DISNEY DICKS is in the top corner of my screen, it's awfully inappropriate.

If they have a right to voice their opinion about something inappropriate appearing on their favorite website, so do I.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > MultiplaOrgasms 08/19/2014 at 10:15

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My car is a Cyclone (ish)

mcseanerson > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:17

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What's really funny is the fact that the car community is the one that is always being accused of being over sexualized and you don't see that kind of stuff on the FP.

mXxxxXm24 /O/ /O/ > mr_gofast 08/19/2014 at 10:18

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Someone must have clicked on it! Lol

MultiplaOrgasms > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:18

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And I don't even have a car.

CalzoneGolem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:23

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I'd like to point at that you are upset about the words Disney dicks on your screen and then are repeatedly typing them out.

Matt Hardigree > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:23

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Consensually looking at something, as this gives you the choice to do, has nothing to do with being tricked into looking at something you do not. It's not a trick, I don't see anyone seeing a post titled "What your favorite princes look like Naked" and getting confused as to what is there.

That all being said, there is an issue with how post are recommended and they idea is to eventually develop the feature so that it learns what you like to read and suggests posts along those lines. However, that's in the future.

McMike > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:24

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I suppose we should get busy with the "Disney tits" thread, then. I'll start looking online and see what I can find.

Cruella de Vil is first up.

Milky > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:25

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How I feel ….

http://jezebel.com/hey-tracie-how…

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > MultiplaOrgasms 08/19/2014 at 10:25

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since I can't post pics in reply, heres a link to an older post of mine with my car in it:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/powered-by-for…

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem 08/19/2014 at 10:25

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you get the hell out of here with your logic. This is the internet!

Sweet Trav > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:26

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There's also a whole level of perpetuation of minority stereotypes perpetuated in that Disney dudes dicks along with the fetishization of certain minorities as well.

Honestly its rather upsetting. Just no NSFW stuff on Gawker Assets PLEASE!

CalzoneGolem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:28

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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Matt Hardigree 08/19/2014 at 10:29

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Matt, thanks for the reply I appreciate it.

I just want to point out that if the title itself is inappropriate I didn't have a choice. I didn't click on anything or go to an article to have a NSFW title in the corner of my screen.

My only other point I have is that if they have the opportunity to complain about something inappropriate I should be given that same opportunity. This is my complaint about it, I don't plan on posting continuously about it or bitching non-stop, but it's intrusive and sucks that I have something inappropriate rotating on my favorite website.

To be clear - I really don't want to discredit the terribleness of what people were posting over there. That was on a completely different level, this doesn't even scratch the surface of that.

But it doesn't mean it's OK.

Dean > Matt Hardigree 08/19/2014 at 10:29

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So what you're saying is, in the future, all my Recommended posts will be about naked princes?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Sweet Trav 08/19/2014 at 10:30

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I'm hoping Starring your post get's it out of the grey.

I didn't look through the post, because it was inappropriate for work. It's even worse that there's blatant stereotyping.

yamahog > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:31

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I just don't like that because they are mainly represented by women that their complaint about something inappropriate is heard and mine isn't.

A bit inaccurate there. The issue was apparently brought up multiple times over the course of months internally, and nothing was done until the public shamefest. No one is denying you the right to voice your opinion, and as Matt said, something is allegedly in the works to address the rotating clickbait article feature.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem 08/19/2014 at 10:31

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lol

Sweet Trav > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:32

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Well, it's based on Disney so its already stereotyped, but they took it to a whole different level, check it on your phone on your lunch break.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > mr_gofast 08/19/2014 at 10:34

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I know exactly what you meant, I just happen to disagree with you. I've seen plenty of comments in this thread that argue any other potential point so I won't worry myself repeating them.

Just remember, Jezebel's tagline used to be "Celebrity, Sex , Fashion for Women. Without Airbrushing."

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 10:34

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OK fair point. I was very much on the side that it was complete BS that it took a complete and public shaming of Gawker management to get off their ass and do something.

I just kind of get the feeling right now that my voice would be unheard about it. I don't agree with any NSFW stuff on the gawker network. It's just not necessary.

I do hope the clickbait carousel (which I think is what we should call it from now on) needs the upgrade he's talking about. I like that it brings me to other sites, every once in a while I get a great story I would have never found otherwise.

Side bar: how was woodward? did you use me in your bingo sheet? Did you find any other Montegos?

Matt Hardigree > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:35

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We're still Gawker Media and there has to be a line. Some people aren't happy when we post stuff like "Trains Used To Drive Down The God Damn Street In New Jersey," but I think that if you're on a Gawker website you should expect to at least see the word Penis, although I think you should have the choice of whether or not you see an actual penis (or a drawing of one).

But because a group of writers were, essentially, victimized doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do their job. That's how the RAPE GIF terrorists win.

CalzoneGolem > Matt Hardigree 08/19/2014 at 10:38

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I'm imagining the fallout from Jez in an article titled "What your favorite princes looks like Naked"

...and now I'm imagining Snow White naked.

#illbeinmybunk

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Party-vi 08/19/2014 at 10:38

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That's true, but c'mon - haven't you ever wondered what Gaston's dick looks like?

No, Mary. Because he's not my type of guy.

#IAmAllowedToSwish

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Matt Hardigree 08/19/2014 at 10:38

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Well we never want rape gif terrorists to WIN.

Honestly I didn't think my complaint would even be heard by anyone, so I'll just say thank you for considering my point of view on one of my favorite websites.

Also, the "Clickbait Carousel", as I'd like to call it from now on, is a good feature. I like that it brings me to stories I wouldn't have found on my own, in that sense it definitely works. I've found great articles to read on the whole family network of sites, which I normally only go through Jalopnik so that was a great thing.

I don't know what the solution is, and I don't mind foul language in the articles-it makes you guys seem more real. Just seemed a little over the top, especially with all that's going on right now.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 10:39

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Certain Chrome extensions work well for that. :)

#JustSaying

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Nibby 08/19/2014 at 10:39

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It's a problem free...

philosophy...

VAGINA DENTATA

yamahog > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:42

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Yea, I'm not a fan of the clickbait carousel for the same reason, and believe it or not Groupthink had a similar "WTF guys??" discussion of the Disney post. There are plenty of weird corners of internet for that, and personally I find it as inappropriate as similar musings on the princesses' privates would be.. aren't they all like 16 too??

And I ended up skipping the bingo part and just drinking, but we did see some other lovely Mercurys as well :)

yamahog > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/19/2014 at 10:44

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For the clickbait carousel or the gif issue? I use adblock at home but haven't installed it at work.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 10:48

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Yeah like I said I'd be equally offended by that post, it's not that I'm all "ahh it's a scary penis" it's just all unnecessary when I'm on a car website.

That sounds a lot more relaxing/entertaining.

The question was, did you see a Montego though. I like being the only one around.

thegregorius > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:49

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Speaking as a bloke who consider himself a feminist: Jezebel is a clusterfuck of back-patting hypocrites. They have run so many posts calling for the end of objectification of women, and an equal amount of posts saying "OMG LOOK AT THE ABS OF THIS HOT CELEBRITY BLOKE". They run this story, which was basically just a collection of explicit nude drawings of male Disney characters, yet imagine the Jezebel response if Deadspin, Jalopnik or another Gawker page were to run a story called "let's compare tits of Disney princesses".

They are ever-vigilant against master supression techniques directed towards them, yet every commenter criticizing them on this issue was met with ad hominem attacks and almost bullying.

Seriously. There is a concept called strawman feminist, meaning a sort of feminist that is constructed by anti-feminists just to make feminists look bad. They are real, and Jezebel is almost entirely populated by them.

yamahog > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 10:57

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Not that I recall! You're still special :P

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 10:58

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Clickbait Carousel.

You can tell ABP to block certain elements of a page, so I have it blocking the clickbait carousel on Oppo.

If you wanted to block the gifs, you'd have to use NoScript, but that's the logical equivalent to burning a house to a ground because spiders.

#NotAVeryGoodComparisons

yamahog > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/19/2014 at 11:03

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Yea, I have the same setup at home with ABP. For a while, Jez readers were writing their own scripts to try to filter out the troll gifs but obviously the rotating usernames made it a pain, but I don't read their MP enough for that to be worth it.

Matt Hardigree > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 11:12

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"Clickbait Carousel" is a great name for it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Matt Hardigree 08/19/2014 at 11:13

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I say you guys have them title it that lol.

Atomic Buffalo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 11:13

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Your complaint has been heard by a Gawker higher-up. And if I'm reading Matt's reply correctly, your complaint is noted but Gawker doesn't feel "dicks" is an obscenity worthy of removal from article titles in general or those featured on the clickbait carousel.

Considering that "dick pic" is a thing of some prominence in pop culture, I don't think an article title with the clever alliteration of "Disney Dicks" is inappropriate for the carousel. It's ribald but hardly obscene in Gawkerland.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 11:13

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The problem is that you'd have a constantly evolving blacklist, and that would make writing a filter a pain.

Now with the popular-box...that's easy.

The solution we have now is far better than what it was, but until Nick Denton gets his Arianna Huffington-esque scoop moment, it's what we get.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > thegregorius 08/19/2014 at 11:13

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If I read a story I tend to stay out of the comments over there. It tends to just anger me.

thegregorius > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 11:18

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In this case, I clicked the link simply to read the comments. While it angers me too, it can be entertaining as well.

Sigh. I probably belong to the "politically correct" end of the spectrum in many questions. What makes me sad is that being politically correct does not mean that it's ok to be an idiot or an asshole. Jezebel is a place where these people meet and encourage each other, in the same way that 4chan or Reddit is where neckbeards and MRAs meet and encourage each other.

Atomic Buffalo > thegregorius 08/19/2014 at 11:20

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An equal number of posts objectifying men and calling for the end of objectification of women? I don't think so. Can you provide a collection of mainpage links in each category over a, say, two week period to demonstrate your point?

smitherfield > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 11:27

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Remember that Jalopnik is the blog that posted a picture of Steve McQueen's penis. (Yes, seriously).

thegregorius > Atomic Buffalo 08/19/2014 at 11:28

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I don't think I've read the mainpage that many times in the past two weeks, but I think that it's pretty obvious that I don't mean an exactly equal number in the literal sense. From what I've seen in circulation, though, the womens-trash-magazine articles objectifying men seems to be roughly as common as the articles condemning similar behaviour when reversed.

I don't think that I need to look up an example of an article where they argue that women shouldn't be judged based on their looks. Their main perspective is a feminist one after all. On the other hand, this is a relatively recent example, an article written to defend judging men based on their looks: http://jezebel.com/for-the-love-o… Then, of course, we have pretty regular stuff like this: http://jezebel.com/the-hottest-li…

Disclaimer: As is often the case, arguing against idiots or hypocrites that also happens to be feminists makes one seem like an MRA or an anti-feminist. This is not the case. My personal stance on the subject of objectification is that I think that it's an unfortunate but fundamental part of human nature to judge people at least partially based on their physical appearance. It's something that both men and women are guilty of, and something that can be damaging to both men and women. We might never get rid of it, but it's good to always keep in mind. If there is any gender difference when it comes to objectification it would be that (a) traditionally, male objectification of female has been much more accepted, though this is currently changing and (b) I'd argue that culturally we are fed a much wider span of ideals for men than we are for women, giving men a bit more flexibility. I don't care particularly what stance other people have on the subject, it's fine either way. What I do not like, though, is treating objectification of one sex as something fantastically bad, and simultaneously objectify the other sex.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > thegregorius 08/19/2014 at 11:30

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Yea i'd have to say I'm a full on advocate of equality and women's rights.

There's a line there between lifting up women and putting down men though.

Atomic Buffalo > thegregorius 08/19/2014 at 11:56

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I don't think any minority group should be held to a standard of perfection, or even a total lack of perceived hypocrisy, in order to have a legitimate beef. In this case I think we're conflating the sexual objectification of others by individuals with the long-standing systemic objectification of one gender by the dominant culture.

I also take "Disney Dudes' Dicks" as a case of "let's see how they like it." Looks like it was pretty effective on that front.

Would Jezebel be a better agent of feminism if it never indulged any baser instincts? Maybe, but it might also not draw much of an audience.

Considering the amount of slack women are required by male-dominated society to give on a daily basis, I'm inclined to give them some slack and let them be real people.

GrauGeist > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 12:02

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It is a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

GrauGeist > Party-vi 08/19/2014 at 12:06

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If I understand correctly, the only issue is that it's a drawing, instead of a photograph or video.

So Jezebel would be totally fine with graphic pictures of Japanese hentai tentacle porn.

Good to know, thanks!

GrauGeist > thegregorius 08/19/2014 at 12:10

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I would click on a Deadspin counter article that compares the vaginas of all of the Disney princesses.

GrauGeist > OPPOsaurus WRX 08/19/2014 at 12:13

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Seriously. Jezebel ruined gawker images for everyone. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

yamahog > GrauGeist 08/19/2014 at 12:22

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Mmmmmm, nothing like a sexist generalization.

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 12:56

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Identity politics is inherently hypocritical. Nothing will ever change that, but it's nice when it's made so obvious and more people notice it.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > MultiplaOrgasms 08/19/2014 at 13:32

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I heard you like spoilers. So I put spoiler on your cyclone spoiler and called it a spoiler alert

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 13:34

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pretty sure he was joking

MultiplaOrgasms > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 08/19/2014 at 13:38

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Dawg!

yamahog > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 08/19/2014 at 13:39

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Judging from the rest of their comments on this thread.... leaning toward no.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 13:41

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I havent seen his other comments but this one seemed like a jest

ScreenShot > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/19/2014 at 13:55

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And after they use that title, make it optional so we can never see those again, thanks.

zeontestpilot > GrauGeist 08/19/2014 at 14:47

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And men are too stubborn to change theirs.

onhold > yamahog 08/19/2014 at 15:11

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Nothing like a pithy one-liner based on a sexist generalization, you mean.

thegregorius > Atomic Buffalo 08/20/2014 at 04:53

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"Lack of perceived hypocrisy". No, this is not perceived hypocrisy, this is plain old regular hypocrisy. And no, I don't think that any group, particuarly one that is pushing an ethical or political agenda, can be given a free pass for hypocrisy. And definitely not when it happens over and over again.

If the "Disney Dude's Dicks" post was a case of "let's see how they like it", then it was a poorly carried out experiment. I'm not aware of any blokes being offended due to the objectification of cartoon men. Hell, if it wasn't on Jezebel, I would have posted this article to my girlfriend by now. Look at the (comparatively small) amount of objectification of men that exists elsewhere. Slash fiction, blogs with shirtless soccer players, etc. Do you see a huge choir of men complaining about that? No, because most of us are aware that it's nothing compared to the objectification of women in our society. What people do complain about in this case is that a blog that calls itself feminist and argues against the objectification of women simultaneously does these things. This hypocrisy is what pisses people off.

I'm angry because idiotic behaviour like this hurts the feminist struggle. I have so many male friends who share my values, but who refuse to call themselves feminists because they percieve feminism as an ideology only catering to women's rights, not an ideology of equality (as it is). Both you and me are pushing for greater equality between sexes, and in many cases this corresponds to improved rights for women. Our individual stance on sex, objectification or any singular matter isn't important. But it means that when we write something or act a certain way, we should always try to gender-reverse it, to see if it's something we would object to.

Just regarding my opinion of Jezebel as being an echo-chamber of backpatting master-suppression-technique-idiots, destructive to feminism and not exactly encouraging critical thinking: You and I are currently having a debate on what standards authors and commentors can be held to, how this corresponds to the agenda pushed by the same persons, the nature of feminism and how it is seen from an outside perspective. I appreciate this discussion, and if I seem angry it's because I'm angry with individual authors and commenters on Jezebel, not you. We're having this discussion on Jalopnik ! Meanwhile, this is a screenshot of people trying to have the same argument on Jezebel:

http://imgur.com/P52eNRF

j.davism5 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/20/2014 at 07:32

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1st Rule of oppo. The Jez crosspost strikes again. judging by the 105 comments, you've probably already been beaten into the ground, and kicked in the genatalia for good measure. Whether or not I agree with you is irrelevant. You knew the result this would achieve, especially considering it sounds as though you cried out 'pitch forks and torches be damned' before you posted.

TL/DR; Leave Jez alone. Everyone is better off if we stick to our own corner. If shit goes on here that you don't like, call it, but the brain damage associated with calling out another forum here is just not worth it. They are different, we are different.

Keep on. Keep Oppo.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > j.davism5 08/20/2014 at 09:09

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Actually I had quite a few solid discussions and no cross post attacks.

I even had a few comments back and forth with Matt Hardigree about it.

I like the functionality of the "Clickbait Carousel" because a lot of times I get good stories I wouldn't have found otherwise on other sites. I'm not afraid to say I will read a Jez post sometimes. It's an interesting/different perspective.

I don't believe we should all stick in our corners, I like seeing the news pop up from gawker, sports from deadspin, space from I09, etc. I don't pick fights with people on the other sites, I just feel that the inappropriate stuff should stay contained in a post so that I can keep my screen SFW. If it's labeled and unobtrusive I don't mind it existing, I'll just skip over that link/story.

j.davism5 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/20/2014 at 09:37

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To hear you weren't flamed is a miracle. Regarding the clickbait carousel, it serves it's purpose and enjoy yourself. Reading from a wide variety of perspectives and diverse base of articles expands the mind. I agree with your point, for what it's worth. What annoys me is when oppo gets cross posts complaining/disagreeing with material from another part of gawker media, and how it's wrong/bias/infuriating. The place for this post was GT/Jez. Forgive me, but it kind of looks like you're making comments about another part of gawker media, a part which has in past had a reputation for vehemently defending it's content, from the relative safety of the distant sublog(oppo) of a relative (jalopnik) in the gawker media group. I get that it came through on the clickbait carousel whilst browsing oppo/jalopnik, but the place to raise your point is Jez/GT. There, you'll get either validation of your point of view and understanding, Pitchforks and torches, or both...it is the internet after all.

1st rule of oppo: don't be a dick. I take a part of this as being that if I have a problem with something someone posts on another blog/fp/sublog of gawker, that I don't set up a cross post and potentialy start an interblog flame war because I'm not willing to accept either the rebuttal/flaming/understanding from that particular blog. If i have a beef with a content post on oppo/jalopnik, then here is where to call it. As I said, I agree with your point. But I don't feel strongly enough/I can understand their point/am not willing to be flambe'd over it enough to not post on GT/Jez. If I did, That's where I'd do it.

End of the day, I think your point is valid, but I still don't agree that this was the place to call it out. Keep Oppo Oppo et al. Perhaps we agree to disagree?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > j.davism5 08/20/2014 at 09:54

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Well I think we'll have to.

I understand your point about keeping a complaint about their content on their page. The problem is I don't have a problem with their content. I just felt like it was forced on my with the carousel. I mean I'm reading about a truck company CEO and Disney Dude Dicks keeps popping up in the corner of my screen. That's how it tied into Jalopnik and that's where my problem was.

I don't like NSFW posts on any of the sites, but as long as I can skip over/not read an article that has content I don't want to see then it's really a "to each their own" scenario. Just like how on OPPO you're welcome to post all the NSFW material you want as long as you put a lead blocker image and disclaim it properly.

So in the end as I've told others that took issue with this post (I'm over 1200 clicks without a FP share btw, obviously I spoke to some of the audience on OPPO) I just felt like mildly NSFW content was forced into my nice calm SFW article. I just felt it was a poor choice for the Carousel not that it was a poor choice for Jezebel to write the article/post the images.

Malforus > Matt Hardigree 08/20/2014 at 10:32

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Here's a concept, use your tagging to associate different kinja accounts so they can choose to filter out or get more of a specific type of content.

I actually enjoy some of what Jezebel posts, but other times it feels like they are intentionally putting up stuff with a narrow audience that I would just as likely not see.

TRT-X > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/20/2014 at 10:52

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I have no problem with those types of articles. My bigger issue is when Gawker sites have NSFW titles/pictures on the front page.

So "Disney Dude's Dicks" plus that image of Gaston...or "Here's a Guy F**king a Snake" (uncensored) in big bold headlines ticks me off more than comments.

Because at least if the problem is in comments I can just avoid that section entirely. But there's no dodging the front page.

TRT-X > Party-vi 08/20/2014 at 10:55

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For me it's the headline (and on the front page the teaser image) that's more bothersome, as an otherwise SFW website with a giant "DISNEY DICK PICS" at the top (or while scrolling on the front page) may give people who casually walk by the wrong impression as to what I'm browsing over lunch.

A headline like "NSFW Fan-Art of Disney Dudes" with no image would at least allow me to browse at work without raising the questionable eye of somebody who isn't familiar with Deadspin/io9/Kotaku (where that headline/image combo popped up outside Jez)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TRT-X 08/20/2014 at 10:56

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I hope my star counts as approving your comment.

I agree, I don't have a problem with the articles, I'm a big boy and I don't click on stuff I don't want to see. I just want an option to decide.

TRT-X > CalzoneGolem 08/20/2014 at 10:56

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It's a bit different in a regular comment font and a giant bold headline accompanied by Gaston taking a nude seflie as the teaser image.

TRT-X > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/20/2014 at 11:04

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Exactly. It has nothing to do with being dude's dicks. I get just as ticked when io9 or Kotaku puts up scantily clad cosplayers on the front page. In context it makes perfect sense, but NSFW is all about people who are walking by and don't have context.

A classic one I can think of was an old io9 article about Irene Adler in Sherlock. The image on the front page was from a Sherlock from the BBC in which she spent a great deal of the time naked.

Now, it wasn't frontal...there was nothing actually "porn" about it. But to anybody casually walking by that is most definitely going to get me in trouble. Or at least a stern talking to. And in the context of Irene Adler, why is THAT photo even necessary except to clickbait?

CalzoneGolem > TRT-X 08/20/2014 at 12:08

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This is true but ops main complaint was that it was in the clickbait carousel.

Atomic Buffalo > thegregorius 08/20/2014 at 13:17

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I think you're holding Jezebel, and perhaps women, to an unrealistic standard. Jezebel is an entertainment blog with articles that are of particular interest to women. That will include porn and feminism. What you call hypocrisy I call being human with diverse interests. If maintaining humanity hurts the cause of feminism, if enjoying porn of interest to most women on a blog whose mission is to engage women, if the only people who can take up a cause are saints with flawless logic, then we are all doomed.

There is a difference between the objectification of men in an article on Jezebel and, for example, the objectification of women in an article on Jalopnik or Deadspin — or on the cover of the latest Spider-Woman comic. The whole world should not be a men's forum, and yet all too often it is.

(BTW, there's also a difference between objectifying men and an article discussing the objectification of men; your first link in your previous post is the latter.)

We shouldn't have to embrace an extreme to decry an imbalance. In fact, I think doing so can be counterproductive too.

And aside from basic rudeness, which is honestly not much of an offense when answering the same basic questions over and over, I don't see a problem with the discussions you posted. Kumicho's comment "so consensual porn on here is okay?" looks to me like an intentionally-provocative straw-man that deserved the put-down, based on a quick look at Kumicho's comments elsewhere; bigfatweirdo's kinja has no comments at all now, so I think asking for Jezebel to post pictures of Disney princesses' pussies is more likely another trollish question than a call to include a Jezebel regular's lesbian interests; and matt.mara asking "porn gifs are bad, but cartoon penis is a-ok? Am I missing something?" doesn't seem like an honest question for a kinja regular who's aware of the recent rape-gif attacks so much as a baiting false equivalency that begs an unrealistic saintly standard.

I think I now understand why you don't think Jezebel is an effective feminist blog, and why you don't like the folks who work/frequent the site, and I can even see how it could be harmful to feminism. In fact, I'd even say Jezebel does , in part, at times, do harm to the cause of feminism. But I don't think on the whole it's a net harm — I think "IDGAF what you think" is an empowering position and while offputting also does good attracting some real people to feminism. Feminism is not a single voice or even a chorus — it's an ongoing protest, with yelling and factions and elements that will frankly scare and even turn off onlookers. Sometimes change needs a mob, not a strike force. And even if Jezebel does net harm to the feminist cause, that's still the fault of the oppressing majority, not the oppressed minority — to say it's Jezebel's fault seems to me like victim-blaming. They shouldn't have to stop acting like women in order to be treated like people.

I hope you now understand why I feel differently than you do about Jezebel, and I hope that we can both continue to find ways to appreciate progress made and to make more of it.

cream wobbly > mr_gofast 08/20/2014 at 15:48

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Hypocritical ... Inigo Montoya would like a word with you about that word.